Welcome to Happily Even After Betrayal with Life Coach Jen. This podcast is where we talk about betrayal and divorce and what it actually looks like to live through those experiences while still being a parent, a grandparent, a partner, or just a human trying to keep it all together. If your heart feels shattered, your nervous system feels dysregulated, and your future feels unclear, you’re in the right place. Here we focus on understanding what happened so you can rebuild your identity, restore your confidence, and find peace so you can create your happily even after one episode at a time. Hey friends, welcome to today’s podcast. I’m so glad you’re here. And today I have a special guest on. His name is Ben. And wouldn’t you know I found him on the internet? I find lots of my guests on the internet. I spend a lot of time on Instagram, I guess. But his Instagram is called Ben Keeps Running. And I just was so impressed the moment I started following him and watching him. And he has turned something really hard in his life into something really beautiful. And I just thought I asked him a few, maybe like a month or so ago, and we just finally are meeting today if he could share his story about going through a divorce, a really difficult divorce, with my listeners. And he agreed. So, anyways, Ben, welcome to my podcast.
Thanks. I’m happy to be here.
Yeah, so glad you are. So, Ben, tell us anything else that you want us to know about you. And then we’ll just start from the beginning of the middle of your story, right? Not from when you were born, but from when you started going through a hard marriage and divorce.
Sure. So the about me has always been a difficult question for me because my primary identities from the time really I was 16 turned into being a friend of this girl that turned into the boyfriend that turned into the husband that turned into the father of her children. So for me, that question of who I am and about me is really developing. And that’s one of the reasons why I started the Instagram in the first place.
I love that so much. So you’re reinventing yourself. I I’d like to think it’s which I think we all are, right? In different stages in our life. And you started young with that identity. And so now in I don’t know, I can’t tell how old you are, but I’m just late 20s, 30s.
All right.
Yeah.
Ben On Identity And Running
So yeah, 35. And almost almost young enough to be my son, but not quite. Maybe actually technically, if I got married at 20, because I’m 55. But, anyways, so you are now in your 30s deciding who you are, who you want to be. So tell me how how did running come to be a part of your life?
Running is something that I’ve done for a decent amount of time, but it was always hit and miss. I didn’t really have a plan. And it had gotten to the point where at the end of 2023, things were not going well in my marriage at that time. We had been married for, I guess that would have been 14 years, which is kind of nuts.
So how old were you when you got married? You were young.
I was 18.
18. So you were a baby. Yes. You were a baby.
Yeah. So I was 18, she was 22. We eloped at the courthouse, had a handful of kids. And by the time you hit 2023, we’ve had three separations: 2021, 2022, 2023. In 2023, she filed for divorce. And those separations were difficult for me because of those identities that were breaking. Husband. Um my role as a father was one that was changing because I was out of the house, but I would still come back and I would have the kids as well. But that was difficult to reckon. Now at the end of 2023, she withdrew her divorce and surprise to me. And I was not quite ready to move back in because of how hurtful everything leading up to that point was. One night, she comes to the place that I’m living, has all the kids in tow, and I go outside because I don’t want her to come in, go outside, say, please leave. She gets out of the car, pushes me around the car, puts me in the car, takes me back to the family home. And from then on, I started living with her. It’s kind of a weird story because obviously I could have gotten away if I wanted to, but I was very cognizant of the fact that she’s a lot smaller than I am, and I had no intention or desire to accidentally hurt her when I was trying to get away from her, grabbing me and pushing me. Yeah. So I thought, uh, no, no need to do more drama. I’ll get in. From that point, um, it really became it was already a difficult situation, but she started monitoring all of my texts and emails, and I was extremely depressed. I wound up attempting suicide as a way to try to just get out of it because I didn’t know what to do. Um it didn’t work, thank God, but it I felt ashamed. And shortly after that, my brother reached out to me and asked me to run the New York City Marathon with him in November of 2024. We found a charity for men’s mental health, which seemed fitting given my attempt, and I started training. And that’s really where the love of running and the consistency in running started. They’re at the end of 2023, beginning of 2024.
And do you think, did you recognize at the time, like probably you were being emotionally controlled? Like, did you recognize, like, okay, this is probably not a healthy marriage? Like, did you understand that, or we were you just trying to like keep the peace?
What’s crazy is I did not understand that until 2023. And the only reason I knew that, and even though I knew it, I wound up going back into the home and staying in the home.
Yeah.
Separations And Escalating Control
The only reason I knew that yeah, the only reason I knew that is because in 2023 is when I started opening up entirely to some trusted friends. And as I was doing that, what it looked like was I showed them every text exchange. Every time I had interaction with her, I would debrief them. And these were long, these are long-suffering friends. Great, great, wonderful, lovely people that walked with me through this. And it didn’t take long for them to pull me aside and say, hey, this is like, this is not healthy. This is not the way healthy relationships are. This is controlling. We can tell anytime your phone buzzes, you tense up because you don’t know what’s gonna, what’s gonna happen. Um, so I kind of knew to a certain degree in 2023, but I was still, I was still of the mind, like maybe we can make this work. Maybe she’s not aware, maybe she’s not doing this on purpose, kind of making excuses. And and that’s it wasn’t really until uh 2024, the end of 2024, when I I knew full on like this is not ever going to work.
Yeah, I think it’s very common, right? I’m so glad you had your friends because it’s very common that we because we’re right so close in it, and we have our kids, and we you were young, and you’re like, this didn’t feel familiar, probably. I don’t know if you’re what kind of home you’re raised in, but you’re like, okay, maybe marriage is hard. People say marriage is hard. Maybe it’s supposed to be this way, and you loved her, you identified she was your wife, she was your person since you were. Did you say 15 or 16?
Uh 16, we became close friends. 17 is when things took a turn into the relationship.
Yeah. And so she’s who you knew. She was your person. You had children with her, and yeah, so it is very confusing. What was your reason when you decided to try to take your life? Was it because of your marriage, do you think? Or you just did you think it was something wrong with you? Or what do you think was that for you?
For me, it was very personal because I was under the impression for really since 2021 when things started hitting the fan, that I was the only problem in the marriage. That was the narrative that I was given, and it’s the narrative that I believed because it stuck to my internal shame that I had really grown up with, not necessarily because of anything my family did, but I just naturally tilt towards shame and guilt, yeah, as it were. And so I thought, yeah, this makes sense. I’ve always felt like there’s something wrong with me, so I’ll go to therapy. And I did a ton of therapy. I’ll go to this, I’ll do that. And in 2023, the catalyst for the suicide attempt was that I was so overwhelmed after going back into the marital home. There were attorney fees that had been racked up because of that divorce, even though it was withdrawn, it doesn’t take away the fees. And as a result of essentially getting back together, her fees became my fees. And so there was some financial stress, and there was a moment, an evening, where something had happened, I cannot remember what it was, but she had said something and I couldn’t believe that she said it. Like after all of this stuff, after all of these things, and I yelled at her. And I felt so bad after I did. I felt so bad because immediately when that happened, it was turned back into see, you are an abuser, you are this. And I just couldn’t handle it. I could not, because this is the other thing I didn’t say. 2023, I started feeling like I was opening up to the world in our separation, because of talking to my friends and because of trying to draw boundaries with her. I was exploring who I was as a person, and I was starting to live, maybe for the first time in a very long time, I was starting to be excited about life. So going back into that situation and then having that experience where I do wind up yelling at her, thinking I’m I’m falling back into that cycle of thinking, this is all me. And, you know, she would tell me really nasty things as well. And that wasn’t really helpful. Like once she did tell me that she wished I would kill myself. She didn’t say it in those stark of words, but in the conversation, that was the intention. And that was in 2023. So it wasn’t, we weren’t long off of that. You know, I would hear things like the kids are better without you, I’m better without you, it would be better if you’re not here, things like that. So yeah, it was a very, it was kind of a perfect storm. I felt a lot of shame for having yelled at her, and I had made an attempt as a result of that. That was directly leading up to it.
And it it that’s so common that the person that’s actually abusive spins it to you, right? All of her things that she was saying about you really were a reflection about her, which is so fascinating. And it’s very common. I just did a podcast on reactive abuse. A lot of that is going on, and it’s so true. It’s like you reacted in a way that is, of course, you were trying to defend yourself, and then she flipped it on you, which caused shame it happens all the time. I had many experiences in my own marriage that I reacted totally out of character for myself, and then my spouse would be like, Look, you are crazy. Look, this is your fault. Of course, I am doing this because of how you’re behaving. So I love that sharing it though helps dissipate the shame. I think shame likes to hide. And so I love in 2023 you you decided, like, okay, I something inside of you got you to start talking and move through that. Tell me about you ran a marathon in 2024. Had you ever ran a marathon before? It sounds hard.
No, I think prior to 2024, the furthest I’d ever run was maybe four or five miles. So 2024, I just start running and trying to up my uh you know, mileage. And uh, you know, eventually got to the place where we made it to New York City. We ran the marathon, and I felt great. I was so I felt so happy.
Great place to run your first marathon. I mean, no better city than New York City. I love New York City.
Suicide Attempt And Marathon Training
Maybe the best marathon in the world. Now that’s I haven’t run every marathon in the world, obviously, but but to me, that is emblematic of what uh running culture is. You know, you have basically people lining the streets for that 26.2 miles, cheering you on, cheering on strangers. The energy is is unrivaled. And I think for me, that was that was an extremely important time in my life to get that kind of support as well.
Yeah, just from complete strangers. So from 2023, were you divorced, separated when you ran the marathon? Like where was your marriage?
So in 2024, it’s a long story that I’m going to try to make short. In 2024, we had a situation that my then wife had asked me to help her draw some boundaries with her parents around one of our children and the time that they spent together because it was getting out of hand and there was not a lot of communication. So we had a conversation about it. We brought in some outside people to make sure we weren’t overreacting, and everyone agreed this is the plan of action. So I instituted that plan of action. And two days later, my then wife broke it. She came to me, we instituted it, and then she broke what she had initially said that she wanted to do. So I was upset about this. When she got home, I told her that I was upset about it. The the agreement was essentially we’re gonna take a break from spending time with grandma and grandpa just until we can re-normalize our family situation. And she had uh essentially called her mom and asked her to take out this child for dinner. It’s like, okay. A direct violation of what we had just talked about. So I told her I was upset about it. She was standing beside me. I was sitting at my desk, and this is in August of 2024. I say, I’m really upset about this. Her phone is on the table. She says, Well, in that case, and she picked up her phone and she said, In that case, I will text my mom and tell her to have him spend the night. So she picked up her phone like this, and I reached over and did this, knocked it out of her hands, hit the ground. She freaked out, she went outside, the police were called, she told them that I physically assaulted her, restrained her, kept her from calling the cops. I was arrested. I was taken to jail for 24 hours. Um, I got out. And when we showed up, I don’t know, two weeks later at court, she brought a 16-page document about how I’ve always been a terrible husband and I’m abusive in all these different ways. And the judge instituted a no-contact. Shortly after that, she abandoned the marital home. She moved, she withdrew the kids from school and she fled uh to a different town. Fled is a strange word. Epscons a more fun one. Yeah, she absconded away with the children and filed for divorce. And I was actually served divorce papers the day after the New York City marathon.
Wow. Wow. Your story is so important because I think this is a narrative that like you’re the man that’s getting abused, emotionally abused, and taken advantage of, right? She was using her, you said she was tiny. I don’t know. But, you know, like poor me, look at what my husband did. And she just made all this up. And I think that happens, well, we don’t talk about it enough.
I I don’t think we talk about it. And the number of men that I have had reach out to me because they don’t want to comment publicly because they’re in it right now is staggering. I was told by the forensic therapist that was involved in the case, who has been doing this for 30 years, that this happens a lot more than people think because men don’t talk about it.
Yeah.
False Allegations And Jail Time
And I do think it’s important to talk about, and I do I do want to go back and just of course the caveat, you know, I tilt towards guilt. I did make mistakes in the marriage, you know, like I didn’t argue, and we did have situations, but the degree to which she claimed things happened was always 10x, sometimes 100x what the actual situation was. And really over the course of that year, it was extremely painful. We had a one-year no contact between me and her, which actually turned out to be the best thing for me because it released me from that, I don’t know if it’s trauma bonding or control or whatever, coercive control or what have you. But the kids were also withheld from me, which is something that people don’t fully understand. But in the state where I am, at least in the county where all this took place, the judge would not do anything without the approval of the victim. And while she kind of made, I want to be careful here because I don’t want to assign intention to her, but let’s just say it was uh one obstruction after another for me to get back to the kids. And although that was my only goal, and that’s the only thing that I cared about, it took a full year for that process to take place. And the therapists and the professionals that were involved eventually said, look, um, this guy is not violent. He’s not a danger to himself or his children. And he was in a uh an abusive relationship, essentially, was the conclusion. But it still took months for even after those reports, because of all the obstruction.
Yeah, she was just trying to make it harder, right? It’s like she was doubling down on she needed to have her story be true. And she knew her story was a lie and fascinating, right? That she did that that says a lot about her.
Well, I think, yeah, and I think the, you know, for people going through it, not to jump the gun here, but for people going through it, I think the biggest thing that you can do is is, you know, there’s a story that can be compelling and evoke emotions. It can, it can cause um a lot of feelings in people, especially if you have a woman that is saying all of these things. And you do want protective measures if you don’t know, you know, you do have to go through that. I would say if you’re going through it now, go through those measures because what you can’t fake is stability over time. You can put on a good face, yes, you can put on a good face, or your partner can put on a good face, and they can make a good story for a short amount of time, but it’s really that time, and even though it’s painful because it does take time, it’s stability over time that really I think won the case for me.
Yes.
And one one is let me clarify, one is not like to say win the case, I’m only speaking of getting the the joint custody of my children. Yeah, for me, that was the win.
Yeah.
Um, divorce is never a win, it is awful all around. But for me, my goal was achieved to a large degree because of that stability over time.
Yeah. And how are your kids now? It’s been about a little over a year then, or no? You haven’t.
So the the divorce drug out for a whole year. The the divorce drug out for a whole year and it wasn’t finalized until September of 2025.
Okay.
So it’s so it’s been six, eight months somewhere in there. Um they are, you know, kids are resilient. That was one reason why I didn’t want to file for divorce myself when I did find out what was going on and why it kind of drug out another year before the final separation. I think they’re doing well. I think the most important thing to me is that I can show up for them in a better way now that I’m outside of that relationship. And this home, I’m not going to make any claims about what happened at her house, but at the very least, I can control my situation in this home because I don’t have that extra stressor of the dynamic of our relationship in this home. So I do think that that the kids are doing well. Of course, it’s an adjustment and it’s hard, but I think uh I think that I’m able to show up for them in a more meaningful way.
Yeah, and I bet they you get to create the safety in your own home, right? And so they’re gonna see, they’re gonna grow up seeing because I’m guessing your former wife, she hasn’t changed much, right? She’s still, I don’t know her, but I’m just guessing, right? She is who she is, who who we have heard. And so they’re feeling that. So they get to come to dad’s house and feel one way and go to mom’s house and feel another way. And as their nervous systems, they even if they won’t be able to name it, eventually as adults, they can name that. I don’t know how old your kids are, but you’re 35, so they’re they’re younger than mine. Minor adults.
So yeah, I can say this. Uh, from what I’ve seen with people reaching out to me and in the comments of the Instagram since I started it, there does seem to be a familiar pattern of the people that are questioning, am I crazy? Am I causing problems? And people that want to work on themselves. And then in dynamics like these, the other partner is not so much that way. So it’s not really ever questioned, am I doing something wrong or what can I fix of myself? It’s typically directed towards the other person. Here’s what you need to fix.
Because she wanted it to be all your fault, right? And it was, and she made that narrative true in her mind and then created a whole year long court battle for this. But luckily, I mean, the court prevailed, right? They saw. Through that, those people, the experts came, I’m sure, interviewed, and they thought Ben Ben is not abusive, and clearly his wife is probably fabricating much of this, or whatever, whatever they discovered. I’m just making that up, but you’re smiling, so you’re we’re agreeing. Anyway, so your kids are doing good. And so now 2024, you ran a marathon. How many marathons have you ran since the New York City marathon?
So uh 2024, New York City Marathon, day after filed for divorce. Within a month of divorce finalization in 2025, I ran the Chicago marathon. And just recently I ran the LA marathon, uh, which would have been, I think that was in the beginning of March. Um, and then I have three more slated for this year.
So your goal is on all the major cities?
Is that your I just love the experience? Yeah. I think it’s a great time. It’s one of my favorite things to do, which sounds crazy, but it’s uh I just love the experience. I would like to hit some of the major marathons, and I will be doing that in September, one of the world majors, uh, Berlin. So New York and Chicago and Berlin are all world majors. There are seven of them presently. I would like to hit all of those at some point if possible.
And not to get off the subject, I thought you have to qualify to be in a mate in a marathon, like the Boston marathon. Don’t you have to qualify to be in it? So you have to.
Boston, there are a couple of different ways you can get in. So New York is a highly sought-after marathon. You can get in one of three ways, as far as I’m aware. You can qualify, you can get into the lottery, which is very difficult.
Yes.
Um, or you can raise money for charity. And that’s what my brother and I have done every world major that we have run so far. So New York and Chicago. And it’s what we will be doing in Berlin as well.
Custody Fight And Stability Over Time
Yeah, okay. And just so everyone knows in my show notes, I’m gonna put the link to your charity so that people can donate. Because I just I think it’s important, right? And you donate towards men’s mental health, which I think is so important, especially in this realm of divorce, because there’s a lot of women on the internet talking about their divorce for whatever reason. I mean, sometimes men are tool bags, right? My husband, one of them, my former husband, you know, did a lot of hard things, but I don’t want that to define me. And in your case, you’re a man in the same position with your former wife. And so I think we need more men. That’s why I was like, yes, we need to have a positive spin. Now, you didn’t believe in divorce, just like I didn’t believe in divorce, but how are you? You’ve been divorced now for eight months, seven, six months.
I can’t.
I don’t know.
I didn’t count September, October, November, December, January, February, March, April, eight months.
Okay, eight months, eight months. How have you felt a difference? Like, and you were separated for a little bit before that. So it wasn’t like you just went and got divorced. What’s your vibe of it now? Like, what’s your feeling about it?
I think going through that one-year process, I was desensitized a little bit to the idea of divorce and watching the way she behaved over that process. A lot of things that I haven’t even shared publicly, which maybe one day.
Yeah.
Um, I was desensitized to the idea of being divorced. Now, I will tell you, when I got the initial divorce papers, it has the plaintiff’s name versus defendant’s name. That was very hard for me to see a versus me and my former wife or my then wife that was then divorcing me. That was very difficult for me. But over time, I was desensitized to that idea, and I don’t really think about it anymore. I can tell you divorcee is a label I never wanted to carry. Yeah. But I’ve what I’ve realized is that it’s not something that has to define me, and it’s not a label that I have to latch on to my identity. I had a relationship with a woman and some children with a woman that lasted for a decade and a half, and it defined a lot of my life, and I can be grateful for the good things that came out of it that my children and I can move forward. I don’t think that it’s a label or even something that I have to think too too much about anymore. But on the side of the religious spectrum, you know, that was the reason I didn’t believe in divorce, and it was difficult for me. And I find that the people that have gone through it understand it. The people that haven’t gone through it that are open and empathetic will provide space for you. And the people that sometimes I get a comment that I laugh. I laugh so hard. I get a comment that says, um, what did it say? Fix your marriage or something. Divorce is not an option. Like it’s some crazy comments. It’s like there’s no even point in having a conversation because people cannot understand cannot understand that I would say level of suffering because divorce is not something that it’s a fun process. It’s very invasive.
Life After Divorce And Sharing Online
It’s not like, yay, let’s get divorced. What a great idea. Yeah, it’s so true. And I think people that, you know, I I mean, I used to be of the stance, like divorce isn’t an option. I’m going to save this marriage no matter what. I’m gonna fix it, right? But unfortunately, that harmed me. Sounds like it did some harm to you because I thought it was my problem to fix. And I wasn’t the one having an affair. My spouse was. And so I’m like, wait, was I perfect in my marriage? Absolutely not. Like I’m human. I’m not a perfect wife. I wasn’t a perfect mother. I wasn’t a perfect human, but I was doing my best. And there wasn’t I was trying to change so he would change. And I realized finally, after 26 years, I stayed, had much more long suffering than you’ve been. I I stayed much longer, but I because of I thought, wait a second, I can’t change enough to get him to stop. For me, cheating was the issue. And so I realized, like, no, divorce has to be an option in marriages because otherwise, I mean, back in of course, in the depression, in my grandparents, you know, that generation, my parents, the boomer generation, they they got married for different reasons and they didn’t, you know, have all the therapy and all the things. But I think in our world we live in, divorce is sometimes an option. And unfortunately, you know, it has to happen. And thank goodness it can, because can you imagine having to stay married in your marriage, right? And your kids, right? And now they get to see, hopefully, at least one healthy home. And I love that you’ve redefined your story. I love, I love that it’s a work in progress, right? You’re still creating your story. And I think I like to say my marriage ended, and then I’m creating something new for my future.
Yeah, absolutely. And you know, no one ever gets married thinking I’m going to get divorced. No one thinks that. The issue is when you have one person that’s looking at themselves and trying to fix what they can to fix the marriage, and the other person also looking at that person that is self-reflecting and hammering home, these are the things you need to change. Marriage is very much a two-way street. You have to come and meet in the middle. And the way that that happens is both of you doing your own work on yourselves and then having conversations about the relationship as a whole. And for me, that wasn’t what was happening, and it was not healthy and it did do a lot of harm.
Yes. Yes. Amen. Amen. It’s so true. So I think there are times appropriate to get divorced, and it still is hard. I always tell people, marriage is hard and divorce is hard. We got to just choose our hard. And sometimes, though, we realize, oh, actually, divorce for me has been such a beautiful thing in my life. Like I’ve I’ve really embraced it. And I don’t label myself as a divorcee either. I’m like, I’m just single. I don’t know. I I don’t, I just I don’t I don’t identify it. I don’t like when I meet someone, I don’t ever lead with, oh, I’m Jennifer, I’m divorced. Yeah. I just, I’m like, no, but it is, of course, obvious. Well, not obvious. I’m just single. And so I think you have to just figure out what feels good for you. Because some people label themselves and then get stuck in the label.
Well, absolutely. And that was one thing that I was cognizant of during the divorce. I did not want to be the quote bitter divorcee. And if I’m if I’m being honest, I have a little bit of a hard time sometimes as I consider my presence online because a lot of what I talk about is divorce. That being said, I would echo what you said about it being a beautiful process for me. It’s something that I’ve been able to see myself grow in so many different ways and recover a joy and vigor for life that I can’t remember having in my adult life.
Yeah. And the thing with you sharing your divorce story, you’re helping other people. I view it as for me, I talk about betrayal every day. Am I held down by my spouse cheated on me? Absolutely not. Like I’ve been able to heal and move on. But what I do is I want to help someone else. I want to help them see there is hope and healing for you. There’s hope after divorce. You’ve gone through, you share your story. I love how you talked in your camera. Everyone has to go follow him because you have to watch his videos. He’s talked in his ring camera. Is it ring or whatever? Yeah, just a doorbell camera. Yeah, the doorbell camera. You shared just your daily things and how you were feeling because a year separated from your kids. I mean torture. Torture.
It was the the most excruciating pain I’ve ever felt. And to a certain degree, because of having gone through that and come out of it, I feel invincible. Of course, that’s not literal, but like I I have such a new lease and new new lease on life, new perspective about suffering as it is and how it is possible to get through it.
Yeah. And you can give that hope, I think hope to other people, especially the ones that are going through it. Because most divorces are hard in some ways, right? And especially when we have kids, it even becomes harder, right? Because there’s just a lot of emotions and a lot of just a lot of pain. And so I think it’s it’s just a way for you to help someone else if you’re doing that. And it helps you probably in your healing.
Movember Fundraising And Final Advice
Oh, absolutely. I mean, I think one of the reasons why I wanted to share in the first place. I started sharing my story on November, in November, right? Day after the New York City Marathon 2025. Because that my stories kind of tied into being served divorce papers the day after the New York City Marathon. And one of the reasons I felt compelled to do it at first was because I felt like I had lost my voice in that year. I couldn’t talk about it. I had to be very, very careful. And I felt silenced because of the narrative was her narrative. And this is me coming back and saying, well, well, this is this is my this is my story. This is what has happened. And as I’ve seen it help other people, it has turned into something where it’s it’s very much. I I am hoping that that people that see it can can at least take something from it.
Yeah, I definitely think they will. Totally. It’s awesome. Just really fast. Do you think she watches any of your videos or follows you, or did we block her?
Well, I preemptively blocked her, but she found out about it. Um, this is a question so many people have asked. Um she did find out about it um fairly shortly after that first video blew up. And that was interesting.
Yeah. Yeah. And well, she can start her own video and her own running, whatever she wants to do, right?
Yep.
Well, thanks so much, Ben. It was so fun having you on. And I’m glad we finally found a time to meet with time zones and all the things. I don’t know. But um, is there any last words you want to say? Tell us how we can find you, how we can follow you, and I’ll also put it in the show notes.
So presently, I’m Ben keeps running on all major platforms. And I guess I would say if you’re in it right now, the biggest thing to remember is that it’s not dark forever, but you do have to keep moving forward because getting to that light at the end of the tunnel does very much rely on your choices, and you can make choices that will make it worse and darker for you. That is possible too. So when I talk about there being a light at the end of the tunnel, there very much is, but you have to make it there. So regardless of the pain that’s in your legs or that what’s going on, just keep moving forward. You can even trip moving forward, just keep moving forward, keep going. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. It does get better, the pain does recede, and there’s a hope and a joy that as you get into it, you know, as you get to that, get to that light that I can’t even describe. Uh, so you can find me, Ben Keeps Running. You can find the uh charity on my social platforms. It’s Movember. We’re raising money for presently for the Berlin Marathon. All of that money goes to the charity to support men’s mental health and awareness.
I love that so much. I love your advice. Well, thank you so much, Ben, for coming on to my podcast and for being here today. Have a beautiful day, and I will talk to everyone next week. Thanks for listening to this week’s episode of Happily Even After Betrayal. If you want to understand what stage of betrayal you’re in, head to my website at lifecoachgen.com. That’s Jen with one N and take the free quiz. It’s a simple step you can take today toward creating your own happily even after.
