Welcome to Happily Even After Betrayal with Life Coach Jen. This podcast is where we talk about betrayal and divorce and what it actually looks like to live through those experiences while still being a parent, a grandparent, a partner, or just a human trying to keep it all together. If your heart feels shattered, your nervous system feels dysregulated, and your future feels unclear, you’re in the right place. Here we focus on understanding what happened so you can rebuild your identity, restore your confidence, and find peace. So you can create your happily even after one episode at a time.
Meet Melissa And Her Mission
Hey friends, welcome to today’s podcast. I’m so glad you’re here. So today I have another awesome guest. Her name is Melissa McComber, and I love the internet. You know, I love Instagram. And another guest that I found on Instagram, but she had commented on something that I had posted about kids learning about their parents’ affair. And this is what she does. She is, this is what she coaches adult children whose parents had an affair, which I think is a brilliant niche. And our kids need help. And so Melissa’s your person. And one cool thing about her is she is living in Puerto Rico right now, enjoying the sunshine and beaches, I’m sure. And she’s there with her husband, and I’m guessing maybe some of her kids. I don’t know. But anyway, so yeah. So Melissa, thanks so much for coming on my podcast. Let us know anything else you want us to know about you. And we’d love to hear like your story and how you got in coaching adult children whose parents had an affair.
Great.
Discovering An Affair At Thirteen
Thank you, Jen. Very happy to be here. Thanks for inviting me. Uh yeah, so my story, well, gosh, I guess my story started a long time ago. I discovered my mom’s affair when I was 13, uh, which was with a friend’s father. And I say that because I think it makes a difference when the affair partner is in the community. Um it’s always an interesting challenge. So that’s really where my story started. Um, it was difficult. And it wasn’t until I got into my 20s that I even really started with any kind of therapy or treatment. And eventually, sometime in my 40s, I started writing a memoir about it, which is still forthcoming. But in the process of writing the memoir, I started doing research about other people who were talking about the effects of a parent’s infidelity on the kids, and I didn’t find too much. And having worked as a therapist uh previously in my career, I thought, well, this is one of those times. If you want something done, maybe, maybe I’m the one to do it. So I started building a website and a blog. I started doing research uh on the research that is out there about how a parent’s infidelity affects the kids. And I’ve since then, over the last five years, built it into a course, an online um course slash group support program for adult children who are struggling with their parents’ affair and who are looking to rebuild a healthy relationship with their family.
I love that so much. I feel like sometimes when you know you figure out your spouse is having an affair, which I’m the person that was betrayed, I think a lot of the spouses that are cheating on their spouse, right? A lot of the betrayers, they think, well, I only had the affair with my husband or wife. It’s not gonna affect the kids. And what would you say to someone that
Why Affairs Affect Kids Too
believes that?
Oh no, it’s not true. I mean, it’s it is true that it affects different kids, even within the same family, differently. And it’s certainly true that some children may struggle with it more than others. So I certainly agree with that. But overall, no, the when there is an agreement like marriage or committed partnership between parents, that commitment extends to the children by default. So when that commitment is broken, it’s really a lie to the whole family.
Yeah. So in your story, did your parents get divorced, or what what was the outcome of that?
No, my parents stayed together. It’s interesting because in some ways it was a happy ending, and in some ways it brought additional challenges. Um, and I think that’s something that adult children often find that divorces is a struggle for kids, of course. And when parents stay together after an affair, it can also be a struggle, depending on how the parents agree to maintain their relationship after an infidelity.
Yeah. And especially, I think you were 13, so you didn’t really have an idea of, you know, probably we weren’t dating and all of that. And so not until you were older, then you’re like, wait a second, this is painful. So do you have siblings or were you?
Uh I do. I have one sibling, yes.
Did they also know about the affair or they did not at the time?
So it was very, it was very different.
So for you, you find out at 13. Did your mom know that you discovered the affair? Like how did you find out and what happened after you found out?
Well, I don’t want to go into too many of the details because that will come out in the memoir soon. Okay, yes. All right, be wrong. Yep. But that it was, it was a long, it was a long, long story. And it involved um, you know, one of my favorite things to say to both parents and adult children after this happens is this is a marathon, not a sprint. Like this is not one conversation and done. This is not one confrontation and done. And it can affect so many parts of your life from not only your family, but family friendships, your faith communities. And that was the case for me all the way around. So it wasn’t like one conversation and then we moved on. It was multiple conversations and multiple circles over multiple years.
Yeah.
Secrecy And Shame In The Family
And I’m guessing when you’re a teenager, you don’t even know the questions to ask, or you don’t understand what you’re feeling.
No, of course. And and for kids who find out um and don’t know if their parents know, then it’s it’s really the burden of secret secrecy, right? It’s how do you hold on to that secret and the very real fear of like, you know, I don’t want to blow up my family at 13. And yeah, because there’s so many consequences for that, potential consequences.
Yeah. And even as kids get older, I think there’s a lot of secret. Do you find that most people feel like they need to hold the secret and that’s what’s causing them problems?
Or that is definitely one. So I talk a lot about the roles that adult children can fall into after infidelity, and one of them is the secret keeper. And this can be either very explicit, like the betraying parent asks the child, oh, okay, this happened, but don’t tell your mom or don’t tell your dad. So that’s very explicit, but it often ends up being even more difficult when it’s something that, say, the extended family doesn’t know about. Because then all of a sudden the adult child is at a holiday gathering and nobody else in the family knows, and it can be so isolating for them that like this huge part of who they are and their family’s experience isn’t part of the rest of the family or their the rest of their life, which can be really hard.
And I find shame is there’s so much shame in that, right? And shame is so painful. Yeah.
Yeah. And they don’t want to bring, yeah, they don’t want to bring shame on their parents. Like even with the anger um with the affair, they still don’t want to bring shame on their parents most of the time.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it’s hard to accept our reality, right? We want to be in denial about it. Like we want we no one wants to think that their mom or dad could do that.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Three Roles Adult Kids Assume
So what are some of the roles? Like you said, secret keeping. Are there any others that tend to show up? Yep.
Yep. So I’ve identified three, and this was based on I did a series of interviews of adult children um to learn more about their stories and their pain points. Um, and the three that came up the most often were the secret keeper, the emotional caretaker, and the mediator. So those were the three.
Yeah, I can already imagine what those are. Yes. So I know so many of my clients, they feel bad because they find out their spouse had an affair, especially when their kids are older, and then they’re venting to their kids. And I’ve been guilty of doing this. What what do you suggest the child, the adult child, what can they do if their mom or dad is doing that?
Boundaries When Parents Vent
Yeah, that’s a really good question. Yeah, and very common. Yeah, right. And it’s and it’s a fine line, I always say, because on the one hand, you as a parent, you want to be honest about your pain, right? Like you, you don’t want to cover up, I mean, infidelity is hurtful and you don’t want to pretend that everything’s fine because that’s not really helpful either. You want your kids to see your true self. So that’s okay. It’s just a line between that and then sharing with your kids or venting with your kids. Kids, I would say adult children need to learn to set some boundaries and say this this is not okay and this is why, because it makes me feel X, Y, and Z. And they can suggest do you do you have a friend? Do you have a therapist? Do you have a coach? Do you have somebody that you can talk to to turn to and not feel guilty about that? I think a lot of times adult children listen to their parents because they love them, you know, and they want to help them and and care for them. And and it’s hard to be able to sit with your mom or your dad being sad and uncomfortable and not helping them because you want to help them, right? That’s part of loving them.
Yeah. Yeah. I I agree. I can see that in my kids. And I’ve had to set my own boundaries with like, okay, I but at first, it’s sometimes when you first happens, you just want to like sure. And it’s just so hard. I guess for me, I just repaired and tried to do something different.
Yes. And that was that was the next thing I was gonna say is you could all you could always have a do-over, right? You can always go back, it’s never too late to say, look, I know maybe this wasn’t the right thing. Yeah, here’s what I wish I could do differently. Absolutely. And and adult children are so, in my experience, they’re so open to that. They so want an open and honest and loving relationship with their parents, they’re they’re really willing for the do-overs.
Yeah, that’s so good. So as a parent, you find out your spouse is having an affair. Is there a certain age and you’re getting divorced, right? So it’s one thing. I don’t know if it’s different. If you’re staying married, do you ever tell? Or if you’re getting divorced, do you tell? And what is the age appropriate? Because we’re talking about adult kids, which technically the law says 18.
Sure.
And if anyone has 18-year-olds, you’re like, they’re not really adults. But I mean, also kids are you were 13. You were you were smart. So what would you suggest, or what’s a way to sure the breakdown?
What To Tell Kids By Age
Yeah. Yeah. So I um I usually break it down into three age groups, and I think this is pretty common for other coaches who work with betrayed families as well. Is between when you’ve got little kids, say before age 10 to 12, depending on the child, the messages that are important are to validate that something is wrong, you know, and maybe you put it in the kids’ language. So, you know, mom and dad are fighting a lot more, or dad is not living here right now, whatever it is. So you need to validate that something is wrong so the kids um don’t feel crazy, right? Yeah. They’re gonna know that something’s wrong, right? Or that they don’t think it’s their fault. Yep. So that’s the first important thing. The second important thing is it’s not your fault, or it’s it has nothing to do with you. This is mom and dad’s thing, we have to figure it out. And then the third thing is just, you know, we love you, both of us, and we’re not gonna, that’s not gonna change. So that’s that’s a bit simpler. Once they get to teenage years, then kids do need to know more. Uh, in my opinion, they need to know that an affair is happening. They certainly don’t need the details, yeah. Details, right? They don’t need the the intricate uh details at all. Do be mindful of social media or technology. I wish I could count how many teenagers have gotten in touch with me and said, I just saw on my mom’s phone. Dot, dot, dot. As as you probably know, certainly I know, my teenagers are way better at technology than I am and can find things so much more easily.
So many people they connect their kids’ iPads to their iCloud email. And that’s how the sometimes the parent finds out their spouse is cheating on them through their little kid’s iPad. Oh and that is painful. And how sad if that little kid found videos or pictures and yes I I don’t with technology, I think for sure it’s harder not to get caught cheating, but also just more it’s more painful because we have a lot more evidence.
Yeah, that’s that’s very true. That’s a great point. And and I think what I would add to that is that it’s always better for your kids to hear it from you than it is for them to find it from anybody else or online. It’s always better. Yes.
And it’s it’s a hard thing to say, but it’s a lot harder and it creates more pain if you think, wow, my parent is willing to lie to me. Yeah. Yeah. Which is a whole other layer of betrayal.
Yes. And that’s why I think, particularly as kids move into adulthood, it’s important to tell the kids, even if the parents stay together. Because here’s here’s what I’ve heard over and over is that mom and dad, the betrayal happens, mom and dad work on it. They decide to stay together a couple years later, then they decide to tell the kids. The adult kids, and the parents are like, Well, we’re good now, so it’s okay. And the adult kids are like, but we’re not good. This is not good, you know? And so all of a sudden the kids are put in a position of like, A, why didn’t you tell me before? But B, we now have all the adult children now have all these feelings about the affair, and the parents may not want to go there again because they’ve already come out of it and to have to go back into that story might be really hard. So that’s why I always recommend, you know, again, the sooner you can tell your adult children, again, not every gory detail, but simply what’s going on and and to be as honest as you can.
Yeah, I I mean, I am a very proponent of honesty. And for me, I just told my kids, I’m like, we don’t lie in our family. Yes. Especially now. Their dad doesn’t feel the same. But as far as I’m concerned, we are going to be honest. No matter how hard that truth is, we’re gonna say it out loud and hold space for it. So, okay, so I love I love that. What about different roles? Let’s talk about those a little bit more. So we know the secret keeping one, um, then there’s the mediator. What is that?
So the mediator, and again, all these roles can be intertwined, right? So some kids may have some bits of all three. So I don’t mean to say they’re mutually exclusive, but the mediator role is really when the adult child feels caught between the two parents and having to be the middle person, right? So mom and dad don’t want to talk. So dad says you need to tell your dad this, mom says you need to tell your, or you know, dad says you need to tell your mom that. And the kids can get to feeling like if they don’t perform that role, that everything will fall apart. And then they end up feeling responsible for keeping people together. And I see this a lot, especially as parents get older and have health issues, and the adult children are, you know, understandably concerned that these people need help with their health, but also don’t want to keep playing this role between their parents.
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. So
Staying Together And Hidden Damage
for me, like I did stay married for 26 years. Okay. And I feel like now I’ve really caused a lot of damage towards my kids for what is healthy in a relationship, right? Because I stayed thinking I’m staying to protect my kids, not understanding that they were affected. They felt even though they didn’t necessarily know until the end, what had actually been happening for their entire life. So, what problems do you see for the adult kids? Like, because you said in your 20s, you started kind of getting help. And then in your 40s, there’s more like, is it with relationships? Like, what problems are these adult kids having?
Sure. Yeah, no,
Relationship Patterns Adult Kids Repeat
that’s a great question. And I just want to say to start, I know that that so many betrayed parents stay in the relationship to protect their kids. And that’s so as a mom, I totally understand that need or that want to protect. I really, really do. And it’s such a brave thing to to step out of that. So um I also think that that honesty, having that honesty in your family is really what maintains the closeness long term. So I hope you’re I hope you’re finding that too. Yes.
Yeah, I’m very close with my kids. Thank goodness. Like I’ve done a lot of repair, and I didn’t, I think unconsciously, I didn’t realize because I was thinking his betrayals were just affecting me. And right, there was terrible help uh 25 years ago. Oh, yeah. There was no, you know, you would go to therapy, and you know, they weren’t even addressing the affair. They’re like, you need to be a better wife. Oof, you know, just terrible help. Yeah. There wasn’t betrayal trauma. There wasn’t all of that. And so as I was able to finally leave my marriage, understanding like, oh, it wasn’t just me living in survival, it was also affecting my kids. So yeah. So what are you finding that is really yeah?
So what happened? Um it’s a couple of different things. I mean, I so the research is pretty clear that there is a correlation between kids who grow up with a parent who has an affair and then ending up either cheating or being cheated on in their own relationships. And I definitely fell into that category. Um, it took me most of my 20s, um, happily before I got married, but it took me most of my 20s to really sort that out and to figure out why I was repeating this pattern that I was so ashamed of and also so against, right? And every part of me was against it and thought it was wrong and understood how painful it was, but yet I was caught in a pattern. And I think that’s what happens is that adult children get caught in patterns because all kids look at their parents and their parents’ relationship, and that’s their default, right? So they look at that and say, this is what, this is the model I see. So this is what I’m going to do. And sometimes that’s actual infidelity. And just as often it’s patterns in the parents’ relationship that may or may not have been part of the infidelity, but were something that the kids learned. Yeah. So they’re repeating patterns that they see without really thinking about them. Um, so that’s one bit. Um, the second bit was just figuring out a way when parents are not kind of like your situation when one parent maybe isn’t ready to tell the whole story or to own the truth. Or, like I like what I like to say is when the truth is not on the table. Yes, you know, so how do you then build a relationship with your parents, assuming that you want to have contact with them? How do you build a relationship that feels good to you without feeling like you have to keep a secret all the time?
Yeah, what how do you? Because, you know, I have I have four kids and different levels of interaction with their dad. And he ended up marrying his last affair partner. So that’s complicated, right? That that complicated, and he didn’t tell them he was getting married, he just went and got married.
Okay.
But that was another lie. And so for them, they each are dealing with it differently. One is completely no contact, the other three have varying degrees of contact. But how do you step into like what is a healthy way to step into having a relationship? With someone that you know isn’t interested in the truth.
Yeah.
Contact Without Truth And Grief
Yeah, that’s a really hard one. And that’s that’s actually exactly why I started the support program that I did because um because that is a really, really hard question. So I’ll start with it was gonna look different for everybody, right? Um the the different levels, there’s no one right level of contact that is going to be the magical solution to make you feel better. It’s gonna have to be figuring out the times of year, the number of phone calls, the number of face-to-face contact, all of that that feels really good to you. And then once you figure out what that is, it’s it’s how do you establish the boundaries and have the hard conversations to get yourself there?
Yeah.
And that’s that’s hard too.
And I feel like some of these people don’t want to have the hard conversation. They want to just be like, oh, that happened so long ago. Didn’t you already get over it? And the kids are like, no, I’m still not over it. Yeah. So I guess I mean, clearly they need to come to someone like you and get help. Um, do you find because I I people there’s a bad rap for people like not talking to their parents.
Yeah.
The kids, but I feel like there’s a good reason for a lot of it.
Yeah. I I think there is too. And what I would just add to to your comment that some people, some parents don’t want to talk about it, then it gets into a process of grieving. Yeah. Because then the kids have to grieve that whatever relationship they may have wanted with their family is not gonna happen. Um that’s a process too. And then finally, how do you move on? How do you find the nourishing relationships that you want, that you need, knowing that your family may not be that for you, which is which is really hard. Yeah. I I also think this is part of my own story. I think that you can have a low contact relationship that feels good to you, so you’re not losing the relationship altogether, and you also figure out a way to have to get some of the connection that you need in other places.
Yeah, I agree with that. And I feel like, because I had I had one daughter who got married herself, and so I feel like that helped her uh yeah navigate, you know, because it was like her husband was kind of a buffer, like right, that helps her interact with her dad and his new wife a little better than just her if she wishes by herself.
Yes, yes, absolutely. And that is the case that these you know, like all relationships, different family transitions like marriages or new babies, they often then the relationship with the parent needs to be renegotiated again sometimes, right? Because then maybe you need to have different boundaries when you’ve got a child than when you before you had a child. And yeah, it’s yeah, it’s again a marathon.
Yeah.
No, I agree. Because as you know, kids are in college, right? They’re selfish anyways, right? They’re just thinking about themselves, which they should, that’s appropriate. Yes. But it could be maybe when they get married or have their first baby that then they’re like, okay, maybe I do want to step into having some contact, or maybe because they feel safer and more secure and they don’t need it, or it’s not so disappointing. Yeah.
And they’re also sometimes, you know, they want that connection for their own kids, like they don’t want to sever a connection that maybe their own kid might want someday or or at least access to.
Yeah. And so I’m just curious about the secret keeper. Like, so this if you are the secret keeper and you are the adult child, do you tell the secret? Like, why, why is it good to get that secret out? Like, you know, just what what do you think?
Yeah. There’s um,
The Mental Weight Of Secrets
there’s some great science actually on the burden of secrets. Um, yeah, that it’s actually because the way I’ll I’ll summarize it because I am not a scientist. Yeah, no, it’s like but the the sort of summary of it is that different parts of your brain, your brain is wired to tell the truth, right? Like that’s what we want to do, that’s what feels good to us. But there, when not telling the truth poses some kind of a threat, then the other part of your brain snaps in and says, Well, no, you can’t do that because that’s threatening. And so it literally puts your brain at war with itself. And that’s part of the reason you feel the exhaustion and the weight of keeping a secret. So to the extent that you can share the secret safely, yes, that is absolutely I think the best way forward. It’s a hard thing, particularly when teenagers are still in the home and they’re relying on their parents financially, you know, logistically, that can be a really hard sometimes. It is worth keeping the secret. Um I also think you have to just acknowledge that you are hurting yourself by keeping the secret so that to acknowledge that trade-off, so that at least you’re being honest about that.
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I held the secret of my husband’s affairs for decades. Oh so much shame in it because I thought if someone first of all, I thought it was my fault and because I was blamed for um, I was the reason for according to him. Um, I know that’s not true now, which is why I’m very vocal about it because I knew I could see, I can see now the pain it caused me, and then I can see it with my kids. So with my kids, I’m like, we’re never keeping a secret again, we’re we’re not doing this ever again.
Yeah, and you can tell me that.
So I have seen the fact the burden, it was so heavy. And once I could like let those bricks out of my backpack right and let them go, for I can see it in my own self and I can see it in the kids. Yeah. Yeah. But and you can probably your clients, no matter what their age, if they can, even if they can’t, they’re not gonna like make a billboard and say, guess what my dad did 20 years ago? Right. But they can at least get it out of them and know, like, yeah.
Yeah. And sometimes it’s figuring out how to talk about it with you know, with new people that you meet. You know, you’re trying to build, you know, say you move to a new place and you’re trying to build a community and you want to be honest about who you are, but you know, how do you how do you share that story in a way that feels authentic to you without, you know, putting up a billboard or without making it a 20-minute conversation, right?
Yeah, yes, yeah. And just even speaking it, like I just feel like shame just keeps us so stuck. I know so true. Speaking it can just be this weight, even just saying it to one person or yeah, yeah. Well, I could ask you so many other questions, but what’s what’s something else? Like any last things that you’re like, I really want people to understand this. And and would you suggest if you do have if you’re a parent and this is your dynamic, obviously your kids might need help. I guess asking them, but they probably do. Like, I mean, I’ve put all my kids, I feel like every parent needs to save for college and save for therapy or coach. Me too. Because we all need it. And so all my kids have, especially after I got divorced, I’m like, nope, we’re all we’re all in therapy, we all have a coach, whatever works, we’re all doing the work because I don’t want you to be my age and have this. Now, some of them have been more open than others, but they all have to some degree gotten help. But what would you tell a parent like to help them understand their kids are gonna need help?
Yeah. Well, yes, I agree with you. Definitely they’re gonna need help and they’re they’re likely gonna need help that’s not you.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, you telling, you being honest and and telling your story is definitely part of it. And particularly with teenagers, as you know, and even adult children, they have to be increasingly in control of their own healing and their own healing journey, um, but offering to help with that in any way that is possible. And obviously, therapy coaching is a great option, but in addition, sometimes a trusted friend’s parent or a school counselor, or you know, there are a lot of options for for somebody that can be helpful to your kids that that doesn’t have to be sort of traditional therapy if that’s doesn’t work for you. Yeah. Um, so I would say that. I
Healing Depends On How You Talk
I think the thing I really want to leave people with, and there’s so much, I don’t know if you’ve seen this on Instagram, but there’s so much online about, you know, an affair breaks kids forever and you’re damaging them for good. And that’s just not true. Like, please know that healing is possible. And this is not only what I see from my own experience, but it’s in the research going back as far as the 1980s, like kids can heal. It’s not a sentence, it’s not a life sentence. They can heal and they can get better, and families can heal and get better. Um, in fact, the the most predictive. So, how a family talks about the affair is as predictive of the health of the family as the affair itself. So it’s that powerful. The way that you foster communication in your family and find healing is just as powerful and I would argue more powerful.
I love that. Yeah, we’re not like sidebaring or we only you know, yeah. I I think it’s so true. It is so true. Yeah, I definitely I believe in healing. Like I have seen it in my own life, I’ve seen it with other people, right? In healing’s possible. I think the shame keeps us stuck, right? Yes, that keeps us, or the idea that, oh, I’ve ruined my kids and right, there’s no hope. I’m like, that’s so such a terrible thought and a belief. Like, absolutely not. No, or the blame, right? Anyways, well, thank you so much, Melissa. This is so such amazing work you’re doing. I’m so glad you I mean, you’ve taken a painful experience in your life and created a lot of beauty from it, a lot of to help other people. And I can’t wait to read your book. That’s exciting. Thank you.
Well, yes, that’s that’s still in the works. Um
Support Program And Where To Find Her
I I know I mentioned I am starting an online support program for adult children. Okay.
Um I’m curious, like, are there different age groups that you work with? There’s is an adult mean 18 to 99. Right.
Yes. No, so I do I I work at this point exclusively with adults 18 to 99. Okay. And at the moment, I’m the offering is an online group support community that will begin the week of September 8th.
Okay.
And that so that will be the first cohort, but there will certainly be additional cohorts after that. So if that time frame does not work for you. And it’s really geared to be a program that that you can be part of for some time. Um, but it’s not a, you know, an eight-week session, that it would be something that you would have access to for some time. And I did that because throughout the course of a calendar year, you know, the holidays or events come up and you may not need support every week, but for the month of December, you really do. Yes, absolutely.
It’s like, oh my gosh, I’m gonna see my mom and dad. Right. And I don’t know what to say, or I don’t know what to do, or I have to meet the new their new spouse. Or yeah. Yes. It’s complicated. It is complicated. It’s complicated. Yes. Well, thank you so much. I’m so excited. Yeah. So what I’ll do is I’ll put all your information, how to follow you on Instagram, all your links in the show notes. So if you’re interested, go to the show notes and look to see how to get a hold of Melissa, especially if you want to be in her group. And you can sign up. And if they find this later on, they can probably just send you an email.
Is that absolutely the best the best place to get me is always my website. That will be Evergreen. That’s Melissamacumber.com. And that also I have a blog there that is free and it’s for adult children, but also for parents. And I’m actually working on a parents section because I get so many questions from parents. Yeah. It’s not, it’s not together yet, but it it will be. And there are a number of blog posts for parents specifically. So awesome. You can always find me. Always find me there.
Good. Well, you are a great resource for those of us that are experiencing betrayal as well as our kids. So thank you. Anyway, thank you so much. Yeah. Thanks so much for being here, Melissa. Thanks everyone for listening.
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