Hey friends, welcome to today’s podcast. Today is something a little different. I was recently interviewed on one of my friend’s podcasts called the Q&A Files with Trisha Jameson. She also usually co-hosts with her husband and a therapist, Tony Overbay. This time it’s just her and I, and she interviews me and asks me questions about my own story, and so I thought it would be a unique way to share with you a little bit more about my story. So I hope you enjoy it and I am so glad you’re here.
Hello friends and welcome back to another episode of the Q&A Files. I’m your host, Trisha Jameson, and today’s episode is a little different. Dr Jeff and Tony are sitting this one out, but I’m so thrilled to have a great friend join me today, jennifer Townsend. Now, I mentioned on a previous episode that she would be coming on and here she is, jen. Thank you so much for coming and being here with us. Thanks, trisha, for inviting me. I’m so excited to be here. Yes, definitely so. I’m excited to have you with me today for several reasons. First, jen is a coach like me, and she understands the kind of work we do, helping others heal. Second, we’ve both been part of an incredible program led by a colleague of ours, leah Davidson. We’ve learned so much in that group and in that course. And third, we just have so much in common and we have a lot of fun just visiting and talking together. So it’s been great. I’ve been so excited to have you on today.
Thanks, I’m really excited to be here.
Definitely so, jen. You also host a podcast called Happily Even After, which I absolutely love, so let’s start there. Can you tell us how you came up with that name and what your podcast is all about?
I used to have a podcast under a different name and when I got divorced, it just I wanted to still do my podcast, but I needed a new name and I just really felt like I felt like divorce. When I got divorced, I’m like, how will I, what does my life even look like? What does it feel like? And we all, of course, get married and we have the fairy tale right, like that we’re going to live happily ever after. And so I really was thinking about that and I just decided what if you can be happily even after really hard things happen to you, whether you stay married or get divorced, but you can still be happy? So it’s just, I don’t know. One night I was just brainstorming different podcast names and if that’s what I came up with and it stuck and I felt good about it and I decided to name my podcast as well as my company, that.
I love that and I just I love how you started with you know, because it was you and your husband that first started your podcast together and you didn’t stop, you just kept going and you formulated a new plan and a new name and I just I just thought that that was brilliant. So I think that’s fantastic.
Well, thanks. It was hard. If you listen to my beginning ones, when I started alone, they’re rough. However, I just really am proud of myself for doing it anyways, doing the hard anyways, and then being able to feel my progression and then, hopefully, that comes across to my audience.
Oh, I think it totally does. I mean, I’ve been listening to your podcast now for a while and you’re just very real, so authentic, and you give a lot of great steps and wisdom and just you know this is how you move forward. It’s been fantastic. I’ve really appreciated it and have enjoyed it as well. So, yeah, so, since you focus on healing and moving forward after betrayal, I’d love for you to share more about your own journey and then we you know, back when it first happened.
I, you know, I had little babies. I just wasn’t in a position to even. It was just so foreign to me that I didn’t even know what to do. And now, like learning about my nervous system and my trauma, like all understanding that I pretty much disassociated from my life, which is really sad to me because now, looking back, you know, I wish I had the tools that I have now, but I don’t. And so I really love that version of me because she was doing the best she could in her situation and I believed marriage was forever and that we could work anything out, and you know so. But you have to have a willing partner, yeah, yes, and of course, you know he was always going to change and sometimes I would see progress and I just there, just wasn’t. The people, even therapists we went to, gave us ridiculous advice, you know, have sex more, or um, I, I always felt like it was a me problem and I believed that for 20 years, right, and so I was always trying to fix myself instead of focus on what he was doing, and so it was very unhealthy lots of toxicity, lots of things. Now I know that, you know, and I don’t think the world, I mean, really, betrayal trauma is like a new thing is like a new thing, and I got married in the nineties so a long time ago and in you know, 2010, there’s been just so much more research and so, anyways, that I gone through multiple things and also other traumatic things had happened in my life.
Then, um, in 2018, my former spouse did ask me for a divorce and at that time, I was like, who is she? And he, of course, said, you know, there’s no one else. But I just knew in my gut, like there’s someone else. Like this is completely out of the blue. But at that point, you know, I had four children. I did not want to get divorced. I loved my life, I had a pretty amazing life, and so I really resisted it. Even though I hired an attorney and I went through all the steps to get divorced. He was with, I’m going to say, someone that was very unstable. I would say he was living this roller coaster and I was in the roller coaster of that, but, for whatever reason, we ended up reconciling and so I thought, oh my gosh, this is. You know, we’re gonna have this most amazing marriage, because I do believe that marriage can be stronger after betrayal if you both are working on it.
And so at that point in my life I almost woke up to my disassociation, my numbness, my nervous system being frozen. I would call myself. I would say, now that I know all the names, I was in functional freeze for most of my life raising my kids. You know I was doing all the things. What is functional freeze for most of my life raising my kids, you know I was doing all the things. What is functional freeze? For our listeners I would say functional freeze is you can do everything. You act like nothing’s wrong.
It wasn’t like I was laying in bed depressed, like you wouldn’t look at me and think I was depressed, but I was numb. I had no emotion. I didn’t feel happiness or sadness, I didn’t feel anger. I just was neutral all the time, which, if you felt that way, it’s, it’s awful, and I would probably fake my emotions, but I avoided most any confrontations. I wouldn’t. I just would appease I would do the right thing. And so I could see that and I was miserable really.
And so I started deciding okay, I’ve got to get help. And so I decided to get a part-time job. I love clothes, so I got a part-time job at a clothing store. I was working 12 hours a week because before that I had been a stay-at-home mom and I’m like, and all my kids were like, in school, full time high school. So I decided I just needed something for me and so I did that and I started listening to podcasts.
I found coaching and I was like what is this? The moment I discovered coaching, I grasp onto that and started finding with it and I held my body image because I was convinced, because my husband you know I’m not attracted to you, you’re overweight or I don’t like your legs, or you don’t have the right body for me Um, it was always my fault, right, like everything was about me, what I was or wasn’t, and so I believed it. And you know lots of emotional abuse, psychological abuse, gaslighting, manipulation. I wasn’t aware of any of that. You would have asked me. I’m like, oh my gosh, I have the most amazing husband. He’s so kind and generous, and everyone else on the outside believed that too. Right, it was extremely successful. I think money hides a lot.
It masks issues because he paid things. He tried to. Yeah, I mean, when you over we had a life that people would people like dream about.
Yeah, on the outside, but in the inside I was so sad and so I mean, my kids were doing great Like we were, and we were the church family. We’re on the front row of church every Sunday and I’m doing all the right Not time, right, I’m volunteering, we’re donating money. We’re doing all this on the outside, yet inside I was broken, and so, as I was waking up to this, I just decided you know what I? I’m done believing this about myself, and so I just slowly started believing different thoughts and I became a coach in 2020. I went to coaching when, after you know, during the pandemic, and that was exciting because it’s like, oh, I have the skill now that, if you know, I could maybe make money doing this and provide for myself, because I had a lot of insecurity with finances, Like if I were going to get divorced. What does that look like and how will I provide for myself? Because I totally counted on him, and so, anyways, I so, through 2018, we, you know, recommitted our marriage or whatever, but unfortunately, I recommitted and I realized he never did. We started this podcast. I had a dream. I’m like let’s do a podcast together, isn’t that such a great idea.
He was all in, except for he was having affairs, yeah, and it wasn’t just with one person, it was no, I don’t know. It was having affairs, yeah, and it wasn’t just with one person, it was no, I don’t know, it was with several. And really, as I was getting stronger, he, he just wasn’t changing. He this is you know what I he for sure was staying for the kids, like I see it now, like right, it wasn’t, he didn’t have those. He didn’t want to be married, but he also didn’t want to leave his life. He knew there was.
You know, when you get divorced, you have to split everything and so, finally, when I in 2022 is when I got divorced and I call this last girl, I call her the straw, because I just realized, like I finally realized and I’m actually really grateful for her because it just, for whatever reason, all the parts of my life and what I’ve been learning, I realized he’s never changing and I’m not. I am better than this. I am better than being married to someone that’s living this lie and I don’t want that in my life anymore. And I always think, people, it’s never a good time to get divorced. Well, it wasn’t.
My daughter got married eight weeks after I got divorced. Like I could have said like, oh, let’s wait until she gets married. Well, I thought about it. I really considered like what, if I do this and if you did that, it’s totally fine, like I’m not judging you, but for me I was like done and I just I couldn’t take a second longer of being married to a man that was lying to me constantly and living this whole other life. I just I deserved better and by that time I knew it in my heart, in my soul, in my body, and so I would say that point. I mean, I had been doing work but I just dove headfirst into like healing myself because I’m like, if I don’t heal from this wound of a very long time 26 years I’m never going to be able to trust another man again. I’m never going to. I just needed to feel whole again and not broken, not wounded.
Yeah, absolutely so. A narcissist is a really trendy word right now you know, a narcissist, but there really are some that are full-blown narcissists and PDs, Right? Do you feel that that was your husband?
Well, I don’t love the word narcissist. I know it’s a real thing. He’s never been diagnosed, so I’m not a doctor. He definitely has a lot of traits of a narcissist. So I, but I, just for me it has not been helpful to label him that, and so I think he’s wounded. I feel really bad for him that he chose the pleasure. He chose the pleasure instead of eternity. But, yeah, I so for me. I know a lot of your audience. They like, they like, but I just I’ll never call him a narcissist for sure. Yes, he has narcissistic traits, but he’s never been diagnosed. But yeah, but for sure I mean emotionally abusive, yes. Psychologically abusive, yes, gaslighting all the things, definitely. Gaslighting all the things, definitely.
So you said that you don’t want to label him that? What is it that makes it easier to not have him have a label?
Well, just because I’m not a doctor, I’m not professional, so I don’t feel comfortable labeling him something that it’s like some people all the time they’re like, oh she’s bipolar. Well, I don’t know if that’s helpful to be told you’re bipolar, unless a doctor said you’re bipolar right. So for me, unless he got labeled it just for my mind and my kids, I just don’t feel like it’s helpful to say your dad’s a narcissist.
Okay, well, good.
I like that explanation. That’s very good.
That was very good, thank you. Okay, so I know betrayal can change us in unexpected ways. What are the top three?
things you’ve personally learned from your experience with betrayal. I’ve learned a lot. Um, though, the ones that I was, that came quickly to my mind um, you can’t change other people. I, in my mind, thought for sure, like, why would he do that? Because I would never have an affair, Never had an affair, I’ve never been unfaithful.
I, when I got married, I you know really my covenants. They meant something to me, the promises I made, and so it was really hard for me to understand why someone would do something that I would never do. First of all, I thought, okay, I’m going to change myself, right, Maybe I can change me to being who he wants. And so I think, really understanding we can’t change other people, and that’s actually really served me well with my kids. I like that and really owning the fact the only person I can change is me. But I have to change me because I want to, not me. So someone else will like me, right, or someone else will love me right, Like I have to love me because I love me, not so that my husband will stop cheating on me, and so that took me a long time.
Obviously I was in this for a long time, but just knowing that, yeah, Learning that to trust trust is a huge one for me. I focus so much on can I trust him? I became a detective, I became obsessed with his phone or who he was texting, or was he really at work, or what he was texting, or was he really at work or what he was doing. So I put all my thoughts and energy on trusting him instead of trusting me. That I would know, because I would totally have a feeling and then ask him about it and he would say something and then I would believe him because I wanted to believe him. Right, I knew he was lying to me, but I just I wanted so badly for it for him not to be lying to me that I just would ignore how I really felt.
And so once I decided there was a point, I think, towards the very end, I’m like I don’t care what he says, I’m not going to focus on him anymore, I’m going to just focus on me, what inside of me feels like. And that served me so well because I didn’t have to listen to anyone else’s voice besides my own and just learn to really trust myself. And now, being divorced, it’s been so helpful because there’s a lot of outside noise of what people think you should do, shouldn’t do, or you know what they want you to do and with you know lots of big decisions financial decisions, buying a house car, just life in general, decisions buying a house car, just life in general and I’m like I just don’t listen to anyone. I mean, I might ask their advice or their opinion, but I always go inside of myself and do what feels good to me and I just trust myself that I know what’s best for me and my kids.
I think that’s. I love that. That’s so perfect. One thing that I wanted to share, too, is one of the things that I really talk about with my clients is in with they’re in a betrayal situation, is it’s not the person that was betrayed’s place to trust? Is the person that betrayed it’s their place to be trusted.
Yes, so that’s it. And why would I want to trust him? He was untrustworthy, right, right. And so even today, like I, I don’t really, I don’t have that, like I don’t really want to trust him. I don’t trust him and I don’t know if I ever will. I’m divorced from him, so I don’t know if I need to.
How long have you been divorced from him?
I’m divorced from him, so I don’t know if I need to. How long have you been divorced from?
him Two and a half years.
Okay. So I just there might be some things I could trust him on, but as far as my emotional health, I’m not ever going to put that in his control again. And so, yeah, there are some people that just aren’t trustworthy, and that’s sad because I think we always project, well, I’m a trustworthy person Surely everyone else in our family and our life is but it’s just not true. Some people just, you know, they might could be trustworthy for someone else, but not for me. And then the last thing I really had to learn to accept my reality of my situation and be okay with it. That. How hard was that? That was hard.
It’s hard because, you know, we, we create, we, all of us do it. We have these stories of oh, you know, someday we’re going to go have the grandkids and we’re going to go on trips with our entire family and we traveled a lot. And so I just, yeah, I had created all these stories with my spouse go on a mission someday, and I also had them with my kids, right, and so once I could just drop all the stories. It took some time and I’m like now I get to recreate my own story, I get to decide what I want to do and what that looks like for me, and it’s been very empowering to do that, because it’s really sad if you and it’s really it is hard to let go, but the more you can lessen your grip on that, it’s going to be so much better.
Or because we don’t know the story that I had before. I don’t know if it was better, or you know, in my mind, oh, that was so much better. But now my life, I think, is amazing, so it’s just learning, like okay, just sometimes our stories are different than what we thought when we were. I got married when I was 25. And so, of course, what I thought when I was 25 is a lot different than I think now in my fifties, oh for sure.
Absolutely. I love that you brought up that you felt so much more empowered. Speak into that just a little bit more.
Well, for sure, I was a victim. I lived in victimhood for a long, for many, many years, right. I just felt stuck. I felt like I had no control of my situation, like, oh my gosh, I married this man who I thought was one way and he’s not, and why can’t I just forgive him? And of course I said I forgive you, but why, which maybe I’ll talk about, like forgiveness, is a whole other issue in my opinion. But you can’t. You can just say I forgive you, but then you have to feel it, and I just never felt it.
I think I held on to some of these betrayals. It’s like they had pierced my insides, like we learned that in our nervous system that’s what trauma does. It’s like these pings and you can have it. You know, most women and men, if they’ve been betrayed, can remember the moment of discovery. They remember what they were wearing, what room they were in, what was said, because it was so shocking to our system, right, and so I just was holding on to all that. I feel like just bricks and bricks and bricks, lots of bricks in my imaginary backpack that were just holding me down, preventing me from living my life, and so once I started shedding those and just choosing what I wanted, instead of worrying about what he thought was the right way or what other people did, just empowering myself and having thoughts that like no, I can do this. I have a voice. My voice matters Like believing that I can do hard things, that I can. What I have to say is important All those things that I was withholding from myself for so long.
And that had to have been such a shift in your mindset, because that’s not how you work.
Yeah Well, no, that’s not how I had been. I would say I was in my before I got married. I was definitely very opinionated, confident. I did a lot of things that most girls my age back then didn’t do. I served a mission for my church that wasn’t a thing that a lot of girls did in the early nineties and so I got a degree. I graduated from college, so I had done a lot of things, and then I got married.
And yeah, I got married and somehow just allowed my husband to really hurt Like I was. Just, I don’t know, I like to call it a wound more than a broken. Just, I don’t know, I like to call it a wound more than a broken. It was very wounded and I just held on to those wounds and so again I became something that I don’t. I didn’t even recognize myself and that’s how bad it got. Like I’m, like I don’t even know who I am. So now I get to recreate who I am and I get to be whoever I want to be, and I really have loved becoming the new version of myself.
Oh, that is just. That is fabulous. I just love that, thank you. Thank you for sharing that. Okay, so I’ve got one last question, so, and I’m curious what were three false beliefs you used to hold on to about betrayal trauma before you began your healing journey?
Oh, that’s a good question. Well, I have several, but the ones that came to mind when you asked me that question right now is, first of all, that it’s okay to get divorced If your spouse has an affair. It is okay to get divorced and it’s also okay to stay married. I, for sure, was probably in both camps throughout my marriage, but I really was in the camp of I’m going to stay married, we’re going to work this out. I told you in 2018, I did get to. I did, you know, hire an attorney and get divorced.
Like worked on getting divorced, but I was still not wanting to get divorced. Like my actions were getting divorced. My heart and soul were trying to stay married, so it was like a disconnect right, and so I guess I needed that, because in 2022, when I actually got divorced I got divorced in one month. That’s very rare, oh wow, it was very quick, but my actions and my heart and my soul were all in. I knew it was the right thing to do then.
It’s important for women considering it. It doesn’t. There isn’t a right or wrong way, but I had to really let go of the belief, because I did believe families are forever, marriage is forever Right and but the problem with that belief was that meant if everyone was living the way that they needed to be, someone in my, my marriage, my husband was not living in a way that was worthy of an eternal marriage right or a forever marriage, in my opinion. And so just because I got divorced didn’t mean that that meant I did anything wrong or that I still can be with my kids, and so I just really had to loosen the grip on forever marriage and figure out that’s gonna I don’t know what that looks like in eternity, but I need to live for today and that feels the best for me in my life today.
I need to live for today. That is so perfect.
Yes, Another thing that I really believed was that I’m never going to be happy if I’m not married like right, and, which is strange that I thought that because I wasn’t happy, married right, I mean, I would have said I was happy. But I really know in my inside, deep in my core, my truth I was miserable, my inside deep in my core, my truth, I was miserable. And so I believe that you had to be married to be happy, which sounds crazy when I say that out loud right now, but I it was a belief probably had, you know, from years and years ago or whatever. I don’t know how I got it, but the thought I couldn’t be happy and, honestly, I’ve never been happier Divorced I, I’m so happy, I feel happy all the time, like I rarely have a sad day.
So I’m like, why did I hold onto that? And so for me, I truly, truly I could. Finally, and I think the one reason is because I allowed myself to finally feel the anger and the sadness and the betrayal which I was avoiding. So now, because I was able to feel all those really awful emotions and process them, then now I can feel the happiness and the joy that life really holds, because I think I was preventing myself from feeling all the negative emotions, so I was unable to feel the good emotions, yeah. And then the last one was I’ll never be able to forgive myself, my former husband or the affair partners and I would say I’m still a work in progress but for me, actually forgiving myself has been the hardest one for me. But I have done a lot, a lot of work on that and just really having compassion for past me and just really recognizing like she was doing the best she could with the tools she had. And now that I have the tools, I have so many more tools to help me in my healing that I forgive myself, for I’m actually. I’m really grateful.
I married my former spouse because I have four amazing kids. I learned a lot of lessons we all. I think no one lives this life without trials. Betrayal was just my, it was my trial. I’m like, who chose this? But I don’t know. But so really focusing, forgiving me, and I really I think I have forgiven my spouse because I’m really grateful. I’m grateful I’m divorced, not married to him, and that I don’t know. I just I have, I’m very neutral with him, I have a lot of peace where I’m at now and so I feel like I’ll never forget or think it’s okay what he did to me or our kids. I think it’s wrong, but I don’t have to hold on to it anymore.
So what was it that you needed to forgive you about?
Well, because I really felt I betrayed. I was, I was lying and betraying myself while he was lying and betraying me. So it wasn’t I wasn’t being authentic to what I believed in. It was like almost not that I was allowing it, but you know what I mean. Like I, I just was.
I felt like I had to forgive me for putting myself, not standing up for myself, not speaking up, not being who I, what I stand up for, what was right. So I don’t know. I just really felt like I had to forgive that person. Now I she didn’t do anything wrong. She did what the best she could.
But I’ve just had to do a lot of forgiveness, because you know how I’ve treated my kids. Like you know, I’m thinking like I’m this amazing mom. And forgiveness, because you know how I’ve treated my kids. Like you know, I’m thinking like I’m this amazing mom and now hearing my kids. I’ve had to do a lot of repair with my kids because, yeah, I was doing the best I could, but I was emotionally detached, right, I was in pain, so I was probably giving them the scraps because I was just in survival mode for so many years. So here I’m raising my kids in survival mode, yeah, and just a lot of women do a lot of people a lot of people do, right, I and I’m not judging me or you know, but it the reality is.
They’ve come to me and mom, this was really hurtful and I’ve had to sit in that with them and do a lot of repair and they they of course under like their understanding, but their hurt is their hurt, like I can’t say you shouldn’t have felt that way, Like that’s not fair. Did you see what I was doing? That’s unhelpful, right? So I’ve just had to sit with them and really own the fact that I stayed in a very, very unhealthy, unhealthy, toxic, emotionally abusive marriage for 26 years.
But you also don’t know what you don’t know. Right, you know. So now you can look back and go only if or and I know you’re not doing that but you’re looking at the lessons, you’re looking at the wins, you’re looking at your life in such a different way and you see, it’s such a different perspective now.
But I don’t do it from judgment, I’m not judging myself, I just it’s like a lot of compassion and curiosity because that’s, I think, how you move out of it and grow Exactly.
Yeah, absolutely. Oh, that’s just so beautiful. Thank you, that is just hard, yeah. So you’ve shared so much wisdom and I’m sure listeners are getting so much insight from this conversation as well. But as we wrap up, is there one final piece of advice you’d give to someone who’s in their early stages of recovering from betrayal, something to help them hold on to hope, or something like that?
Okay, one piece of advice, I think, um, first of all, you’re not alone. There are, sadly, many, many women and men dealing with betrayal, and that’s one thing that I didn’t know so many years ago. I really thought I was the only person, so I never told anyone, like I didn’t, Um, and maybe that’s why I’m such an advocate now and I speak out about it a lot. But you’re not alone, you’re going to be okay. No one dies from feeling all those awful emotions. You’ve got to learn to feel them. It’s okay to cry, to be angry. It’s okay for women to be angry, and it’s actually you need to be angry and get angry. It’s okay for women to be angry, and it’s actually you need to be angry and get angry. And not at someone, like not meaning yelling at someone, but maybe in your pillow or in your car.
Let it out, yeah For sure. Hire a coach, hire a therapist, get someone a safe friend to talk to. You need people that have your back but also that aren’t like it is probably helpful to have a friend that’s like oh yeah, I totally get it. What a jerk or whatever. Like that is that person, but also someone to help you see what you cannot see, because when you’re in all those emotions you can’t see any hope. You have to know that there is light at the end of the tunnel, but you have to go through the tunnel. You can’t go around it or over it or under it. You have to go through right.
Yeah, you want to like. I did all that. It doesn’t work that way. To heal, you really have to. You have to go through all the ugliness, and so you, you do need support. You need to find someone that, in my opinion, has been through betrayal. I think is so helpful. There’s lots of therapists, lots of coaches out there, but ones that haven’t experienced. I think it’s helpful to have someone that’s actually experienced what you’ve experienced, not in the same exact way, but that can have a little bit of empathy and compassion but isn’t going to commiserate with you in there.
Excellent, so so good. Okay, so now, how can our listeners find you? And if they want to connect with you or learn more about you, where can they go?
All right, well, I have several ways. You can go to my website. It’s wwwlifecoachjencom. I have lots of information on there. I’m on Instagram, at happilyevenaftercoach, and Facebook. I’m mostly on Instagram. You can come find me there. I do have a community the happily even after club, and I created that because I say it’s the club that you never want to belong to, but you’re so glad you found, because I think we heal in a community of women or men. It’s just a place that people can ask their questions. They can be authentic yeah, be authentic. They can know that there are other people that are having a similar experience as they are throughout the world. Right, I have a podcast the happily even after podcast, which you talked about.
And I’ll put all these things in our notes as well. So I’ll add those, but I didn’t mean to interrupt you.
Oh, no, yeah. So I mean there’s lots of ways. I am working on creating a course that if people don’t feel comfortable talking to a person which I know we’re all in different situations that they can, you know, do an online course and get help that way. I that was my dream of you. Know, this is kind of stuff that I wish I would have had resources. I would have had years ago. That I’m just creating because everyone learns in different ways and don’t think you can white knuckle betrayal Like you. Just you can’t.
A lot of women and men, we sweep it under the rug, which creates a lot of shame, right. That’s a whole other issue that I had years and years of shame, right, thinking it was my fault, but I think you, the more you can acknowledge and speak it, it’s going to be so much more freeing, right. And so finding different tools, different things that work for you not everyone heals the same way and so finding what works for you. But healing I believe healing is possible. Like you can really be healed. That doesn’t mean you forget about it, or but it doesn’t have to be on your mind. 24 seven.
I’m really glad you shared that that healing is possible, because I believe that as well. So that’s just just so perfect and thank you so much. This has been so awesome and the conversation has been so meaningful, and I know our listeners are walking away with valuable insights. So be sure to check out Jen’s podcast, Happily Even After, for more inspiring content on healing and growth. So, before we go, if you have a burning question on health, nutrition, medicine, mental wellness or relationships, please send us your questions at trishajamesoncoachingatgmailcom and we would love to answer them in our upcoming episode. So that’s all for today.
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